Kate the Great tickets sell out in less than 24 hours, “Kategate” controversy surfaces

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Photo credit: Alastair Hewitt on Facebook

(Portsmouth, NH) – Portsmouth Brewery started selling 15,000 Kate the Great lotto tickets at 5:15pm on Friday. By Saturday at 2:55pm, the brewery had sold out of tickets.

As expected, feelings are mixed about the lottery. The odds of winning were 2 in 15. There were those that won big… “Would have been nice to shuffle them too…know 3 people who won 8+ out of 15!” And some that lost big… “0-for-30 last night and I gotta tell ya, I hadn’t felt that way since the pats lost the superbowl. what a bad night. it was a long hour trip back to Manchester…”

What wasn’t expected were questions around some tickets possibly being pre-scratched.

Alastair Hewitt posted the photo above on his Facebook page with the caption, “Classy one The Portsmouth Brewery – no luck with my pre-scratched Kate tickets!”

To which MetroWest Daily beer columnist responded, “I know someone who got 7 yesterday, and he said someone before him got all winners.”

Kungfu Mike posted, “I bought 10 tickets this morning that already had little scratches over the “Try Again” wording, as if somebody was looking for winners before the tickets were sold. I didn’t notice until I got home. Did anybody else notice this?”

Adam Hall posted, “I noticed the same thing on 4 or 5 of mine. Really tiny nicks, but just enough that I knew they were losers before I scratched. I also figured I was just being paranoid. Still not convinced otherwise.”

Ian T. Lane posted, “You can tell if the tix are winning or not without even scratching any of the silver off. The bottom of the underlying picture shows below the silver on all tickets. […] Mostly dark edges and it’s a winner; mostly lighter edges and it’s a loser. Go and check the pictures of the tickets right here on the FB profile to see for yourselves.”

Xenon Yuan posted, “noticed the same thing – thought i was being paranoid, but guess not. whatever the case may be, i think this year’s ‘scratch off material’ was of poor quality – it came off TOO EASILY. can we at least agree on that?”

Jared Lindros posted, “I saw many of my cards with a small scuff missing to show the try again red, at first I put it off to poor material, but after I noticed it was always in the same place I could tell something was going on.”

Mike Redmond posted, “I got one winning ticket out of 45. I was looking at how the spikey scratching area doesn’t really match with the picture behind it. If you know what the pictures behind look like, you can actually tell a winning ticket from a losing one without even scratching. Didn’t notice when I was scratching them, but I’m bummed either way!!”

Zoe Bonney posted, “Agree that it should be of better material. All ours were in the same area and over the red. I won’t go so far as to say that some questionable activity was going on, but better material next year might make us feel a little better about losing. Thanks for a 21:40 rush! We’ll be in line bright and early on the 5th. Cheers!”

In the 20 hours since the comments first surfaced, the brewery has not responded. They did just post the Sunday lunch specials, however.

The lottery ticket sales generated $30,000 which will all be donated to charity.

28 thoughts on “Kate the Great tickets sell out in less than 24 hours, “Kategate” controversy surfaces

  1. Is this were we are now?
    Selling lottery tickets for the “privilege” to purchase a bottle of beer.
    If the beer is that fantastic, why not brew it year round?
    Oh…yeah..the whole hype trail would be de-railed…forgot about that.
    What was I thinking.
    Excuse me while I pour myself an Old Rasputin…or an Expedition Ale.

  2. Buyers are part of the problem too. The whole beer trading world, which is entirely illegal (right or wrong), has to shoulder some of the blame. I’m sure Kate the Great is a very good imperial stout but it can’t be THAT much better than the hundreds of others available.

  3. Buyers are ENTIRELY the problem. What can the breweries do? Most of them don’t have capacity to keep up with demand. Should they contract brew with AB-InBev so everyone can have their precious rare beers all the time, or would that just screw it up because it wouldn’t be rare anymore? The only solution would be for brewers to do what they absolutely don’t want to do and start selling their rare stuff for $100+ a bottle. When you factor in golden ticket costs, travel time, waiting in line, aren’t they ultimately worth that much? And who the hell can drink imperial stouts all the time anyway?

  4. Brewers don’t want to charge $100+ for a bottle or don’t want to face the backlash that would come with doing so before it’s acceptable in society? I’d lean toward the latter.

  5. Don’t hear as many brewers crying foul about beer trading as we do eBay. I’d love to take a poll of brewers to see how they vote on both.

  6. ^Patrick

    “The whole beer trading world, which is entirely illegal (right or wrong), has to shoulder some of the blame.”

    You got it, bro. However, right or wrong, I think we all know how you feel about us traders…

  7. I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do about an anonymous comment that makes no sense.

    I hear you on EBay Adam but trading is what makes EBay part of the problem. $100 I’ll begin a regiment of water.

    Bottom line there are plenty of available beers as good that don’t require a planning board and finance committee.

  8. ^First step – try making sense of it.

    I’ll help…your tone implies an underlying disdain for beer traders. The fact that you needed to point out it’s legality prefaced with “entirely” suggests so.

    It’s cool, man. I’m not offended.

  9. Pat.

    I explained myself, you did not. Tone? Sure, I’ve got tone. And clarity, I’ve got that too.

    /non sequitur

    Ft: scratched losers

  10. ^Keep trying, I’m sure you’ll get it, or someone will help you. Or, an easier one will come along.

    Chin up.

  11. Now that I am at a computer, let me elucidate on your cranky misguided lack of understanding or general lack of coherence of the English language.

    To begin with, you clearly took immediate offense to the suggestion that beer trading is to shoulder blame in this process. If that offends you, you only further are making my point for me. A rational person, who trades beer, knows exactly what they are doing. They also know how to define the words I wrote. See, I didn’t say beer trading is the only thing to blame, I said it shoulders some of the blame. As in, it is part of the problem.

    Here is your exact incoherent response to my whole post:

    { ^Patrick

    “The whole beer trading world, which is entirely illegal (right or wrong), has to shoulder some of the blame.”

    You got it, bro. However, right or wrong, I think we all know how you feel about us traders…}

    A. I am not your bro, don’t ever call anyone your bro, it sounds like you are adding “tone” to your comments (which you go on later to try and explain I think).

    B. You do realize that when someone says “right or wrong” they are saying that they are not agreeing or disagreeing with the validity of the fact on hand. In this case the legality of the beer trading, which is quite illegal, especially when you get to the shipping of beer across state lines via private or public methods of mail or in say a vehicle.

    So, there is no tone, it was just facts. You want to assume tone, go right ahead if that makes sense to you. In the meantime, I don’t give a rip, nor did I buy scratch tickets for this beer, nor do I care about those who won or did not. I was just you know, stating an obvious fact, at least to those who understand words, law and that type of stuff.

  12. When I trade I know exactly what I’m doing, just as you knew what you were saying when you said it in the “tone” that you did. Just because I took offense with your “tone” doesn’t mean that there was a lack of understanding on my part of your facts.

    I’ll tell you what, you try not to trader-hate and then cover it up with facts, and I’ll try to get a better grip on my understanding of words, law and that type of stuff. Deal?

  13. You clearly have no grasp on what the word tone means. If I was using tone I would have said, “traders are garbage and a blight on the beer community.”

    But you see, that would be completely hypocritical and would have nothing to do with my point.

    See this is the problem with people like you and the internet. You think you have a great point, you fail to actually read what you are upset about, and say something that makes utterly no sense in response. Rather than saying, wow, looking at that sentence again, I completely added my own emotion and words to it, you jump deeper into trying to pretend that the statement still appears how you originally read it even when it clearly and plainly is otherwise. This is known as inferring your own opinion vs. accepting reality.

    So you can keep on this senseless diatribe all you want, and pretend you have an internet arch enemy. The easier thing to do would be to man up and just admit you read the sentence wrong.

  14. You don’t like beer traders, I called you on it. Get a grip and own your opinion. I’m sorry if you meant that to be a secret, but it’s not my fault that your post was transparent.

    If I’m wrong about the tone, then why have you not addressed whether or not I’m wrong about your opinion? It’s because you don’t like traders but did not intend for that to come through in your post, not consciously anyway. I think your maypole is wound too tight.

    Cheers, bro.

  15. You called me on your incorrect interpretation of what I wrote and I need to get a grip? There is nothing to secret about my comment because the comment is plain as day despite your continued struggle with it.

    Again back to the tone, I do believe you might need to look up the definition of that word. In terms of addressing whether or not your opinion about what you have interpreted to be my opinion, I have no idea what to do with that because it makes no sense.

    Let me break this all down for you because I am fascinated that you are so lost in your internet.

    “Buyers are part of the problem too.”

    This is a sentence which signified there is more to the whole issue, as in there are parts. One of those parts are buyers. This may come as a shock to you, but I am a buyer.

    “The whole beer trading world, which is entirely illegal (right or wrong), has to shoulder some of the blame.”

    This is a sentence which clarifies part of the buyer world, ie people who are into “trading beers”. This may come as a shock to you, but I’ve traded beers before and is something I will continue to do if the mood strikes me. It seems in reality you have been terribly hung up on the use of “entirely illegal (right or wrong)” which is beyond me because it was really just a simple statement of fact, it is entirely illegal, whether that is right or wrong is something that probably needs to better debated, I’d argue it is wrong for it to be illegal, which is ultimately what creates a black market via semantics on sites like Ebay.com.

    “I’m sure Kate the Great is a very good imperial stout but it can’t be THAT much better than the hundreds of others available.”

    This last sentence was a simple nod to the fact that I think the hype of all these beers has now exceeded the market realities. It was poorly worded in retrospect as it really does not give some points of comparison to allow it to stand on its own.

    But in short, I don’t hate myself, nor do I hate my friends, who “trade” beers.

    But I do have a measure of disdain for people who call me “Bro” and can’t read three simple sentences correctly without adding their own baggage to it.

  16. You’re a good man, Patrick, and thorough. And full of shit.

    And it’s your internet, too.

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